Tag: Bill Chambers

  • Wendy Miller’s experience at the Head of The Charles – Faster Podcast Episode

    Wendy Miller’s experience at the Head of The Charles – Faster Podcast Episode

    My guest today, is Wendy Miller, from Mosman Rowing Club in Sydney Australia. Wendy competed in the 2019 Head of The Charles regatta, and gained 3rd place in her first attempt in the single sculls event.

    I first met Wendy in 2019, as she was travelling through Europe on holidays on her way to Boston. She gave me a call to ask if she could drop by Switzerland, (as you do:-) to do a spot of training with me, before heading over to race in the US. Wendy has a great story to share, with her journey through Europe, training on a yacht whilst sailing down the Italian coast, her ingenuity to source boats, blades and boathouses to use, staying with wonderful hosts in different cities, and finding races to sharpen up before the big event. Nothing stopped Wendy on her way to racing in the 2019 Head of The Charles regatta and having a great adventure along the way. I hope you enjoy listening to her journey as much as I did.

    Head of The Charles Training Plans

    If you are a Masters Rowers, and interested in training for the Head of The Charles Regatta, I have prepared training plans especially for Masters Rowers. Whether you are planning to race in Boston, or compete virtually, these plans will help you to be at your best. The plans are designed by the most successful Masters Rowers, specifically for the Head of The Charles, and for Masters with 6 hours a week all the way to 12 hours of training a week. Click on the link to check out the programs. HOCR Training Plan

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  • Olympian Tom Bishop’s experience at the Head of The Charles – Faster Podcast Episode

    Olympian Tom Bishop’s experience at the Head of The Charles – Faster Podcast Episode

    Excited to share my conversation with Tom Bishop, Olympian (1976) and multiple winner of the Head of The Charles Regatta (2017, 18, 19). Tom shares some amazing stories about his persistence in being selected in the quad, and the challenges he overcame to represent his country. Being coached by Mike Spracklin, and what it takes to prepare for and win the Head of The Charles in the 70+ age group.

    Tom has an amazing track record of success, when ever he puts his hands on a boat, no matter what boat class. Tom has paired up with some amazing rowers over the last 15 years, Tom Potts, Colin Cusack, Sean Morris and Charles Parry, to win in all boat classes, from doubles, quad, four and eights that are unstoppable.

    I hope you enjoy listening to Tom and hearing his approach to preparing to win and have fun along the way.

    Head of The Charles Training Plans

    If you are a Masters Rowers, and interested in training for the Head of The Charles Regatta, I have prepared training plans especially for Masters Rowers. Whether you are planning to race in Boston, or compete virtually, these plans will help you to be at your best. The plans are designed by the most successful Masters Rowers, specifically for the Head of The Charles, and for Masters with 6 hours a week all the way to 12 hours of training a week. Click on the link to check out the programs. HOCR Training Plan

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  • Latest podcast episode – Head of The Charles Regatta with Blair Crawford (Chair) Board of Directors

    Latest podcast episode – Head of The Charles Regatta with Blair Crawford (Chair) Board of Directors

    Since its inception in 1965, The Head Of The Charles Regatta, also known as HOCR, is a rowing head race held on the penultimate complete weekend of October each year on the Charles River, which separates Boston and Cambridge, Massachusetts. I thought it would be interesting to find out from the organisers, and rowers, what makes the HOCR so special, and what attracted them to fly half way around the world to race on the Charles River. Over the next weeks, I will be releasing episodes where I chat with crews from around the world, to share insights into what makes this regatta so special.

    In this first episode, I speak with Blair Crawford (Chair) of the HOCR Board of Directors, to understand more about the regatta, how it all started, and how the regatta has evolved into what it is today.

    Head of The Charles Training Plans

    If you are a Masters Rowers, and interested in training for the Head of The Charles Regatta, I have prepared training plans especially for Masters Rowers. Whether you are planning to race in Boston, or compete virtually, these plans will help you to be at your best. The plans are designed by the most successful Masters Rowers, specifically for the Head of The Charles, and for Masters with 6 hours a week all the way to 12 hours of training a week. Click on the link to check out the programs. HOCR Training Plan

  • Live Master Class Sessions & Instructors

    Live Master Class Sessions & Instructors

    Super excited to announce today, the live sessions with our world-class instructors. More information will be released later this week, so be sure to join the newsletter to be the first to find out.

    Training & Nutrion For Masters Rowers

    Instructor: Dr Charles Simpson, Author and Senior Lecturer in Sport and Exercise Science. Sport. Faculty of Health and Life Sciences, Oxford Brookes University.

    Biomechanics For Fast & Efficient Rowing

    Instructor: Dr Valery Kleshnev, Rowing Biomechanist, Author, Inventor, Olmpic Silver medalist and USSR Single Sculls Champion.

    Strength & Conditioning For Masters Rowers

    Instructor: James Goodwin, Head of Strength & Conditioning and High Performance, Swiss Rowing Federation.

    Rowing Technique To Move The Boat Fast. 

    Instructor: Noel Donaldson, former head of Australian Rowing, New Zealand Rowing. Coach of the Oarsome Foursome & the Kiwi Pair.

  • New Features For 2021 Filippi Boat Range

    New Features For 2021 Filippi Boat Range

    Faster Membership

    The rest of this one is for members.

    This article, both twelve-week training plans, and the full library of protocols and calculators are part of Faster Membership. CHF 129 for the year.

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  • The Problem With Starting Your Ergo Dehydrated.

    The Problem With Starting Your Ergo Dehydrated.

    How to START hydrated and why that’s so important.

    Sharing original article from Andy Blow, Precision Hydration.  Medically reviewed by Dr Tamara Hew-Butler. Precision Hydration support our newsletter subscribers with 10% off all purchases, when you use the discount code; Faster10 at checkout. www.precisionhydration.com

    The benefits of starting exercise hydrated

    Much of the literature on hydration has focused on what athletes should drink during exercise, but your hydration status before you start exercising can have a huge impact upon your athletic performance…

    When people talk about hydration, most of the time it’s about what and how much athletes should drink during exercise.

    These are clearly important questions, but your performance is also massively influenced by how hydrated you are when you start exercising in the first place. Drinking a strong electrolyte drink to optimise your hydration status before long, hot or really hard training sessions and events can significantly improve your performance.

    We call this “preloading” and the practice has been widely studied in the last 20 years or so, both with astronauts and athletes. Whilst there’s not a completely bullet proof consensus on the subject – there rarely is – there’s strong evidence that taking in additional sodium with fluids before you start sweating is effective in promoting increased acute fluid retention and in improving endurance performance, especially in the heat. 

    This blog aims to give you a more solid understanding of what you can do to arrive at the start of your next event optimally hydrated.

    What are the benefits of preloading?

    Once you begin sweating you’re generally going to be fighting a losing battle against fluid and electrolyte loss, so starting off properly hydrated can be extremely beneficial. When you’re properly hydrated you have a larger reservoir of fluid to draw from over time than if you’re dehydrated.

    Starting well hydrated has other benefits too. Optimal hydration maximises your blood volume and this helps general cardiovascular function and your ability to dissipate the heat produced by your working muscles. This reduces fatigue and enables you to maintain your performance for longer.

    Despite the relatively obvious benefits of starting exercise well hydrated, a recent study of over 400 amateur athletes showed that around 31% of them were turning up to training sessions (and, in some cases, competitions) dehydrated!

    In amongst the data there were strong indications that this was very likely to be compromising their performance. This will probably seem like common sense, especially if you’ve ever tried exercising when you know you’re a bit ‘dry’. Who in their right mind would want to start exercising hard in a dehydrated state if they’re trying to perform at their best?

    The problem with starting exercise dehydrated

    This study certainly backs up previous work I’ve read on the subject and the kind of things we’ve seen over many years working with athletes in different scenarios. It’s certainly not uncommon to see people only really thinking about hydration once they turn up to a session rather than preparing in advance. 

    Often this just happens because those of us who are not full time athletes are running around flat out between workouts and aren’t always able to think about preparing properly for them 100% of the time. That’s just life.

    But it can also be a problem for full-time athletes when training two or more times a day, or at times when they’re just under a very high total training load. That’s because uncorrected dehydration from a prior training session can make it’s presence felt when the next session gets underway. This blog addresses how to optimise your recovery by hydrating properly.

    Although athletes turning up to training a bit low on fluids is relatively common, it’s generally less of an issue before major competitions. That’s not to say that turning up to an event dehydrated never happens, I’m sure it does.

    The dangers of overdrinking and hyponatremia

    But, because most athletes care a lot about their performance in big events, there’s a tendency to increase fluid intake before the big day because extra priority is placed on all aspects of last minute preparation.

    2019 study found that 14% of 63 ultrarunners started the 246km (153 miles) Spartathlon midly hyponatremic

    The irony of this extra emphasis on pre-event hydration is that quite a lot of athletes can go from slightly under-drinking before training to significantly over-drinking pre-competition and this can lead to a different set of problems!

    I’ve written about the common tendency to over-drink before races in the past and the bottom line is that it’s a very real problem that can potentially lead to hyponatremia (i.e. low blood sodium levels caused by inadequately replacing the sodium lost when sweating and further dilution by drinking plain water or weak sports drinks), something that can be pretty catastrophic for health and performance if it goes unchecked. A recent study found that 10% of athletes tested at the Ironman European Championships had hyponatremia, which shows you the extent to which hydration issues might be impacting performance.

    The idea of carb loading – i.e. maximising the amount of glycogen you have stored in your muscles and liver before a strenuous activity – is one that’s well researched and essentially universally accepted as a performance-enhancing tactic.

    OK, so sports scientists love to argue over exactly what and how much you should eat, and when exactly to shove it in your cake hole, but few sane athletes would argue with the principle that consuming additional carbohydrate calories (often combined with a tapering off in training load) in the final days before an event is a good idea.

    That’s because you can store up and subsequently use a lot of this energy later on when you need to dig deep and burn through large amounts of fuel during a long or hard effort.

    With hydration things are less clear cut than with carbs. As we’ve seen, many athletes do tend to increase fluid intake prior to important events or hard training sessions, with the vague notion that having more in the tank should result in better performance. But many unfortunately over do it in the process and this is harming their performance.

    The importance of sodium for hydration

    But, can you actually store fluid over and above being normally hydrated and, if so, does it help to do so?

    The answer has a lot to do with not just how much water you drink, but with how much sodium you consume with that water as it’s this electrolyte that plays a key role in retention of fluid in the body and in the bloodstream in particular. For more on why sodium is crucial to staying hydrated and maintaining your performance, you may want to read this blog.

    In a nutshell though, without the right amount of sodium in your pre-exercise drinks, drinking lots of water will do you a fat lot of good. The importance of sodium to hydration and maintaining your performance was further proven by research conducted at NASA at the end of the 20th century.

    NASA astronauts hydration study

    NASA’s astronauts were commonly found to be suffering with low blood pressure because they were losing bodily fluids (and therefore blood volume) during their time in microgravity. One NASA paper I read suggested that astronauts live with as much as a 3-4% deficit in total body fluid levels during a typical mission. It was causing them to feel weak, light headed and even to black out on re-entry or once they landed back on terra firma. That’s not something you want to be dealing with when you’re trying to land a rather expensive space craft! 

    To combat this, NASA tested lots of drinks containing different carbohydrates and electrolyte mixtures and found that the more sodium you put in a drink, the more effective the drink would be at being retained in the body and bloodstream and correcting dehydration.

    On top of the work by NASA, there have been a number of scientific studies conducted into the idea of athletes ‘preloading’ with sodium and fluids prior to exercise in the last few years and the key findings from this work were summarised in a paper back in 2013.

    This review article essentially came to the same conclusion as NASA that sodium preloading with a drink strong enough to stimulate fluid retention in the blood stream, but not so strong that it caused other knock on issues, does seem to improve endurance performance. 

    As I mentioned, a higher blood volume means an easier time for your cardiovascular system when you’re exercising and also a bigger reservoir of fluids available to ‘lose’ through sweating if you need to cool down, as is the case when working your muscles hard and producing lots of metabolic heat.

    However, due to the mechanisms that control fluid and electrolyte balance in the body, any attempt to preload with plain water inevitably just leads to more trips to the bathroom as your body tries it’s best to avoid an excessive dilution of your blood sodium levels, which would lead to hyponatremia if unchecked.

    How to preload effectively

    It’s about striking a balance between being aggressive enough to drive some extra fluid retention in your blood stream without this leading to gastro-intestinal issues or excessive fluid build-up making you feel bloated and sluggish.

    Typical sports drinks – which generally contain ~200 to 500mg of sodium per litre – simply don’t cut it when it comes to preloading as they’re just way too dilute to make a meaningful difference to blood volume. The reality is it’s not vastly different from drinking water.

    At the other extreme, most of the scientific studies that have been conducted in this area have looked at using extremely strong electrolyte drinks containing ~3,600mg of sodium per litre. That’s like drinking a bag of saline solution that would normally be put into you via an IV! Whilst this has been shown to be highly effective at boosting blood plasma volume, it’s has a tendency to cause upset stomachs, sickness or diarrhoea – something that is obviously very counterproductive when you’re trying to improve your performance!

    One study back in 2014 looked at the effectiveness of 4 drink concentrations – Water, 1,380mg/l, 2,750mg/l and 3,680mg/l – to compare the effect they had on blood volume pre-exercise v how much sickness and diarrhoea they caused.

    The athletes drank a set amount (17ml per kg of body weight, so about 1.2l for an average sized 70kg athlete) of each of the drinks and the more sodium that was in it, the more blood volume was increased, as you’d expect. But with the strongest drink, 6 of the 8 athletes experienced diarrhoea compared with zero issues with the 1,380mg/l drink and plain water.

    That paper was of real interest to me as at Precision Hydration we’d already been experimenting with different concentrations of drink to use for preloading. I’d had lots of GI problems when trying 3,000mg/l+ drinks, so was already using less strong stuff and I was still finding it beneficial, so it was good to get some scientific confirmation that we were on the right track.

    In the end we settled on a strength of 1,500mg/l (32oz) for our preloading drinks and these are available in the all-natural PH 1500 drink mix format as well as low-calorie H2Pro Hydrate 1500 effervescent tablets. 1,500mg/l seemed to be the ‘sweet spot’ in that it’s very palatable and easy on the gut (we never get comments about stomach upsets from using it) whilst still being effective at boosting your blood plasma volumes and getting you optimally hydrated before you start sweating.

    If you want to test whether preloading improves your performance, follow this protocol before your next long/intense training session or B-race.

    Preloading with PH 1500:

    • Drink 1 x PH 1500 with ~500ml (16oz) of water the evening before your activity.
    • Drink 1 x PH 1500 with ~500ml (16oz) of water about 90 minutes before you start. Finish your drink at least 45 minutes before you start to give your body time to fully absorb what it needs and pee out any excess.
    • Drink the PH 1500 in water you’d have drank anyway to ensure you don’t overdo it. The circa symbol (~) before the fluid total is key here as different athletes will drink differing amounts – for example, more petite athletes might typically drink less than larger athletes. One size won’t fit all, so use some trial and error with these guidelines to help work towards what is best for you when preloading. 
    • DON’T just drink lots of water in the build-up to a race. You can end up diluting your body’s sodium levels before you start, increasing the risk of hyponatremia.

    Why you should preload

    • Boosting your blood plasma volume before intense exercise is a proven way to enhance your performance, especially in hot conditions.
    • Having more blood makes it easier for your cardiovascular system to meet the competing demands of cooling you down and delivering oxygen to your muscles.
    • PH 1500 is very effective at increasing your plasma volume as it contains 3x more sodium than a typical sports drink. That extra sodium helps to pull water into your bloodstream and keep it there. This may allow you to get away with drinking considerably less in shorter/harder events where previously they would have had to try to consume more on the move (not easy when you’re flat out!). It can also help reduce the amount of times you need to pee before you start.
    • Preloading with PH 1500 can also help you avoid/alleviate muscle cramps, especially if you’re prone to suffering from them late on in events and especially when it’s hot. 89% of athletes with cramp who try preloading PH 1500say that it solves their problems.
    • You can’t preload anywhere near as effectively with weaker sports drinks as you’ll lose a large proportion of the fluid as urine. Or it’ll slosh around in your stomach without being properly absorbed. 

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    If you’re looking for a way to optimise your performance then testing sodium preloading is definitely worth a try. If you have any questions about how to preload effectively or need help optimising your approach, drop us an email.

  • Overview of 2021 Filippi Single Sculls

    Overview of 2021 Filippi Single Sculls

    Below is an overview of each of the single sculls offered by Filippi, organised by rower weight. To find out more, visit Filippi Boats website.

  • Keeping Faith & Keeping It Real. The Stockdale Paradox

    Keeping Faith & Keeping It Real. The Stockdale Paradox

    As all around the world, lives are turned upside down by Corona Virus, and as families around the world are hunkering down to stand-firm in the face of the second wave, I was reminded of the mindset, and approach of Admiral Stockdale. Brilliantly codified and shared by Jim Collins in his best seller, From Good to Great.

    The Stockdale Paradox was first published by Jim Collins. Copyright © 2017 Jim Collins, All rights reserved. Link to article can be found at the bottom of this post. Photo image, Forward Rowing Club, Switzerland.

    The Stockdale Paradox

    Admiral Jim Stockdale was the highest-ranking military officer in the Hanoi Hilton. He was there for, I think, seven years, from 1968 to 1974. He was tortured over twenty times. And by his own account, Stockdale came out of the prison camp even stronger than he went in.  

    In preparation for a day I got to spend with Jim Stockdale, I read his book In Love and War. As I read this book, I found myself getting depressed because it seemed like his systemic constraints were so severe, and there was never going to be any end to it. His captors could come in any day and torture him. He had no sense of whether, or if, he would ever get out of the prison camp. Absolutely depressing situation. It’s like we can all survive anything as long as we know it will come to an end, we know when, and we have a sense of control. He had none of that.  

    Then all of a sudden it dawned on me, “Wait a minute, I’m getting depressed reading this book, and I know the end of the story. I know he gets out. I know he reunites with his family. I know he becomes a national hero. And I even know that we’re going to have lunch on the beautiful Stanford campus on Monday. How did he not let those oppressive circumstances beat him down? How did he not get depressed?” And I asked him.  

    He said, “Well, you have to understand, it was never depressing. Because despite all those circumstances, I never ever wavered in my absolute faith that not only would I prevail—get out of this—but I would also prevail by turning it into the defining event of my life that would make me a stronger and better person. Not only that, Jim, you realize I’m the lucky one.”  

    I said, “No, I don’t.”  

    He said, “Yes, because I know the answer to how I would do, and you never will.”

    A little later in the conversation, after I’d absorbed that and said nothing for about five minutes because I was just stunned, I asked him who didn’t make it out of those systemic circumstances as well as he had.

    He said, “Oh, it’s easy. I can tell you who didn’t make it out. It was the optimists.”

    And I said, “I’m really confused, Admiral Stockdale.”  

    He said, “The optimists. Yes. They were the ones who always said, ‘We’re going to be out by Christmas.’ Christmas would come and it would go. And there would be another Christmas. And they died of a broken heart.” Then he grabbed me by the shoulders and he said, “This is what I learned from those years in the prison camp, where all those constraints just were oppressive. You must never ever ever confuse, on the one hand, the need for absolute, unwavering faith that you can prevail despite those constraints with, on the other hand, the need for the discipline to begin by confronting the brutal facts, whatever they are. We’re not getting out of here by Christmas.”

    Remembering another great leader and the inspiration he gave to the world in a time of great darkness. “Now this is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end. But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning”. Winston Churchill (1942)

    Original article found at www.jimcollins.com

    https://www.jimcollins.com/media_topics/TheStockdaleParadox.html

  • Ordering a new Filippi in 2021

    Over the last 12-months, I have tried out different boat brands, (check out the Filippi vs Nelo article) and always come back to Filippi for shear speed, performance, quality of build, and style. Over the course of the last 3-years, I’ve enjoyed success with the F22, and planned to simply continue. Then David Filippi shared with me, the new performance features for the 2021 models, then it was clear, an upgrade was in order. The features David shared with, sound really exciting, both from a performance and design aspect. More about these new features in late January 2021.

    I invite you to join me as I follow David’s team at Filippi Boats, as the build my new 2021 F22 single scull over the next few months. Together, with the team at Filippi, we will be following the process from start to finish.

    The first step will be choosing the final colour. My current F22 is all black, although ascetically pleasing, the boat suffers in direct sun, with the all-black surface heating up. There was always the risk of damage to the materials if the boat is not covered and out of direct sun.

    I have selected the following colours for the boat. Which one do you like best? You can vote for one of the three colours below on the Masters Facebook Group.

    The final colour will be accented with the classic Filippi white stripe.

    Stay tuned and subscribed to my newsletter to follow the build, and for more information on the new performance features released in 2021.

  • What’s Your Role In Meetings?

    What’s Your Role In Meetings?

    Timely lessons from the CEO of Spotify, Daniel Ek, on how to be a more effective leader in meetings.

    As I am spending more time in virtual meetings, I’m reflecting on how this time can be spent more effectively. I recently listened to the conversation Tim Ferriss had with Daniel Ek, COE Spotify, where Daniel shared his approach. Below is an extract of the conversation, and you can listen to the entire interview on The Tim Ferriss Show, episode #448. 3 December 2020

    Tim Ferris:  I want to give an example of one question, that might, I don’t want to say surprise people, but be noticeably lacking from the mindscape have a lot of people from, from day to day. And this is, this is the question of. What your role is at a given meeting. What is my role. And I’ve read about your contemplation of this, of this question, but when you go into a meeting, what different roles might you have and why is it important to be clear beforehand on what your role is? If we actually take a step back and we think about work for a moment, and we think about work for knowledge workers, because it’s clearly different. The reality is a lot of knowledge workers that work in companies. 

    Daniel Ek:  Most of the work that they’re doing is done. In meetings. Some of us do some actual other work too, but a lot of it ends up being in meetings. And it’s surprising to me that we spend as little time as we do. On actually thinking about the meetings, we’re having, if they’re productive if they’re worthwhile, and if they’re delivering on. What the ambition was. And I can only say that when you survey people that attend, when you ask if the meeting was effective or not, most people actually say that meetings are wasteful and yet we see more and more and more of it. And so. I like to think that a huge point of optimization can be done by designing better meetings for people. And. 

    You know, early on, it started with my own sort of process at Spotify, not just thinking about how much time we were wasting, but frankly, In a meeting. What I found myself many times in was maybe meeting a person in the company. That had done a tremendous job, putting together a presentation of some kind. And if I put myself in that person’s shoe, this is a person that may get a meeting with me, maybe once, maybe twice during their entire career at Spotify. And for that person, it could be the chance to get noticed for a future promotion. It could be the chance to have a, something that fundamentally changes their career. And so, it oftentimes what ended up happening was the. 

    Person came in. And they ran through a PowerPoint that someone had sent me the night before I had already read it. And they in verbatim read that the entire thing. And then in the end, that would be a short period of time. Usually less than 10% of the meeting was spent on that. Of us discussing what the next steps would be. Again, I understand why this happens, because again, the person that’s presenting this have all the incentives to kind of show off the good work that they’re doing and wanting to seem very competent and realize that a lot is on the line, et cetera. And instead, what I find is that’s, uh, quite often we haven’t been intentful about why the meeting exists to begin with. And in this case, if it’s recognition, we want to give I’m sure there could have been a better way you could have done. 

    That, and we should have been clear that we were having a review meeting about the progress of a certain area, and it should have been clear too, that this person is an amazing individual and that we should all try to give constructive criticism. But then in the end also give. Feedback positive feedback as well, because we want to make sure this person feels valued. 

    But oftentimes all of that context. It doesn’t exist. And so, my role in that meeting could sometimes be just being that person who says that kind of thing, but it really relies more often than not that I, to prep people. On how to do meetings. And set it up. Like I do read the meeting material beforehand. I prefer spending only five minutes in the beginning. 

    Rereading the material or the person reading it, a summary out of it. And States the reason for the meeting upfront. And then we can spend more time talking about where are these, the right questions? Should we have considered something else? And what are the appropriate next steps? But you can be an approver, or you can be consultant. You can be informed in a meeting. And I think many people always think that if you’re the CEO, your job is always to be the approver in the meeting. But I find if you have a great team, that’s not at all the role you should have, you should be sometimes the person who is only consulted about what they’re doing as an FYI. Sometimes you can be the person who just isn’t the decider because there’s someone more competent making that decision. 

    But you could be a person who is the sounding board where you can bounce ideas off. If we’re thinking aggressive enough, if you’re thinking. Roughly in this dimension, should we invest a lot? Should we invest a little in that decision? And all those things is highly contextual and your role in those meetings could be very different depending on. 

    All of those variables and being clear and upfront about that meetings can have different forms. I think has profoundly changed how I look at meetings. And I think a lot of people at Spotify too.